Meeting for Sat. Nov. 13 2010

NOTE: My deepest apologies for uploading this so late. I've been extremely busy lately, what with having to pack for an extended visit to my Aunt's house, and whatnot.

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<AragornofRedwall>Ahem.
<AragornofRedwall>Hello.
<brevex>Kobb: we'd decide, but I'd like to talk to you about it on MSN as I think as you said we need to decide what aspects of style we want in the film
<brevex>it'd cover everything from head to toe
<Kobb>Worth a shot! I'll have to gather some of the stuff I've read/learned about it over the years
<brevex>for the late comers I'll post my refs again, this is the first time so I'll let it slide but it really isn't fair to let me wait for an hour and a half to help you out
<brevex>[link]
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Wait, when did we start the meeting?
<brevex>[link]
<AragornofRedwall>It's now 1:33
<brevex>[link]
<brevex>AragornofRedwall: no it was an hour ago
<AragornofRedwall>EST
<brevex>GMT
<AragornofRedwall>Oh.
<brevex>it says in the chatroom and outside of it
<AragornofRedwall>So the meetings are now at 12:30?
<AragornofRedwall>EST?
<AragornofRedwall>Oops...
<brevex>it hasn't changed, I don't know why everyone missed it it is the same time it has been for the last few weeks?
<KanuTGL>Daylight savings?
<AragornofRedwall>I've always been on at 1:30 EST, which is on time...
<Swordsman92>That's what did it for me I think
<Kobb>Yeah, daylight savings pushes it back an hour
<AragornofRedwall>So 'til Daylight Savings is going again, the meeting is an hour earlier?
<AragornofRedwall>Oops.
<Kobb>'cos not everyone does DST
<AragornofRedwall>Sorry 'bout that!
<brevex>Does it only effect EST time caus wouldn't it do the same for GMT and hence we should be on time? what should I do for the next meeting... Speaking of which, for the Christmas break we will be taking a holiday (no meetings) it'd be cool if you'll continue work if you get time but it is not going to be compulsory.
<brevex>for reference sake it is now 08:40 here so set your clocks accordingly
<Kobb>it affects most of the USA (except for Arizona) and most of Europe
<AragornofRedwall>When is the last meeting before Christmas?
<Kobb>the other continents only have a couple countries here and there that observe it
<brevex>we will run I think 2 more I think... *checks*
<Kobb>so for EST, it used to be 1:30PM and is now 12:30 PM
<Swordsman92>*making mental note*
<cybercatmia>I'm GMT and it changed... 2/3 weeks ago for me.
<DarthCraftus>My brain hurts...
<KanuTGL>Western Europe went off DST two weeks ago as well
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Are we talking about daylight saving time?
<brevex>cybercatmia: I dunno, maybe my clock missed the memo xb
<DarthCraftus>The meetings are an hour earlier now?
<brevex>whatever timezone you are in just set your clocks so that you would have been here exactly 1hour and 15 minutes ago
<cybercatmia>brevex: As far as I know you haven't changed because I'm always either 1 or 2 hours behind you =b
<KanuTGL>Since we're all going after your time zone, brevex, will SA be changing their clocks anytime soon as well? xP
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I'm with darthcraftus, my brain hurts too. XD
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Eeeh I have to be in here at 9:00 now. Darn Cali being the last on the timezone list. TT_____TT
<Kobb>USA DST ended last weekend - you'd think they'd at least synchronize when it ends so everyone doesn't get horribly confused in later October XD
<brevex>KanuTGL: no this clock never changes, it may be like by 5 min or so but that is more likely the clock being faulty xD but if you are all here 1 hour and 15 minutes earlier than you were today it should be fine
<Kobb>*late
<Kobb>Yeah, SA doesn't do daylight savings
<brevex>we always have the sun xD
<KanuTGL>Okay, that is good to know xD
<brevex>what izzz theeees daylight savingksz?!
<Twilight-Realm-Child>In that case I need to buy a sundial.
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Well then *flashes coat open to show sundials* $20 each.
<AragornofRedwall>It's easy. Just be here an hour earlier than you would be on DST.
<Twilight-Realm-Child>BUT THE CLOCKS CONFUSE ME
<AragornofRedwall>What else you got in that coat?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>So now for me meetings are at 11:30. I don't think it'll make much of a diiference unless I forget. XD
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Um, some watches, candy for the kiddies, a couple of twigs, a lamp, and a raccoon.
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: woah when did you join? xb I'm liking what I'm seeing with the sheets, a bit more work needs to be done though on Fortunata's legs since the plantigrade change but it is getting there, did you get all the links; there's a great one on anthropomorphic legs that'd help you alot
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Oh I"ve been here for about ten minutes. XD
<brevex>this is the absolute LAST time I am posting these links so PLEASE look at them if you are a character designer
<AragornofRedwall>Anything else?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Yeah, her legs were a little diffucult, and I need to change the legs in the drawings in the corner. And no I didn't get any links. D: Last night we had a huge storm and our internet was down for a while ( stupid living in the woods)
<brevex>[link]
<brevex>[link]
<brevex>[link]
<brevex>that should be good for now, I will also be answering specific character design questions so ask away. It's not set in stone yet but Kobb and I may host an OC Masterclass for the character designers to help with the style issues and unification of the project
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I guess my biggest question is: other than her legs, is Fortunata done?
<brevex>(naturally you will need Open Canvas and Hamachi to join in in this Masterclass so grab it from me on MSN)
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: what happens if we don't have MSN?
<brevex>my MSN address is raccoon777@live.com (add me if you haven't already)
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: get it? if you can't I can make a plan though
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I can't get one ( strict parents yay)
<brevex>It is now known as Windows Live (just for reference)
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: okay I'll send space the files to you now, what is your email?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>twilightrealmchild@airmail.net
<Shieldpaw>sorry i'm late
<AragornofRedwall>Everyone is.
<Shieldpaw>heh, then it's nice to be included
<DarthCraftus>Will the unification look be posted in the journal?
<iKayc>I made it too! owo
<brevex>DarthCraftus: it's not a "look" per se but a set of visual rules, I guess it could be but it's too early to say
<Shieldpaw>iKayc: good you could make it!
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Are there any other character designers here?
<DarthCraftus>can you use Open Canvas on an iMac?
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Here ^^
<iKayc>Shieldpaw: finally, huh? xD I had to rush to get on, then the internet was being mean D:
<brevex>DarthCraftus: I don't know, I do not touch thine thilthy operating system xb (just jokes, I'm sure some people enjoy the ability to have no right click)
<DarthCraftus>my mouse right clicks
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: the files are on their way
<cybercatmia>OC won't work on my Macbook, so I guess it doesn't.
<KanuTGL>Anyhow, I must be off. Dinner is just about ready
<brevex>DarthCraftus: just messing with ya man I know you can set it to right click, I'm just not a Mac fan
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: got 'em, hopefully they'll work on my stupid computer!
<KanuTGL>brevex: I'll send you the Arokai stuff I promised later
<KanuTGL>Bye all
<brevex>who else needs OC and hamachi?
<AragornofRedwall>
<brevex>(character designers that is)
<AragornofRedwall>Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world.......
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: did you send me hamachi too?
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: yep
<Twilight-Realm-Child>OH NO he's singing again,
<AragornofRedwall>But THIS is GLEE!
<AragornofRedwall>[link]
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I DON'T LIKE GLEE
<AragornofRedwall>Yes, I listen to music while I do this.
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: it's downloading now.
<AragornofRedwall>I only like one or two of their songs, Miss Twilight.
<Dream-Of-Serenity>She took the midnight train going an-y-where!!!!
<brevex>Hokaaaay, so that's it for today then right?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>aragornofredwall: hahaHA, I've got the dragonball z theme on now lol
<AragornofRedwall>GO SERENITY!
<AragornofRedwall>
<Dream-Of-Serenity>GOD I love that song so freakin much! So nostalgia!
<AragornofRedwall>
<AragornofRedwall>I love music!
<AragornofRedwall>
<DarthCraftus>Bats and owls and coiled sea dragons crocodile and carrion beast
<brevex>I willll take that as a yessss...
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: i know you said that you don't want to be bugged by any VA's, but have you heard my recording?
<AragornofRedwall>Sorry brev.
<Swordsman92>Brevex: Just to let you know I got a reply from MVRamsey so far, but no word from Xalex
<DarthCraftus>swirling in the growing darkness join us in the coming feast
<brevex>Shieldpaw: where did you send it to? I have one in my Youtube I have yet to check and RichelletheDarknessQ's to check but other than that I'm not aware of others?
<AragornofRedwall>"Some will win, some will lose. Some are born to sing the Bluuues!"
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I'm going to turn up the volume on my speakers now. ._.
<DarthCraftus>spectere wraith and apparition spirit demon phantom shade
<AragornofRedwall>What. The . HECK?
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Breeev....I lost my mic TT____TT
<Shieldpaw> i sent one to the redwallanimation@gmail.
<AragornofRedwall>What ARE you singing Craftus?
<DarthCraftus>salamnder serpent dog faced devils dance and watch the dying sunlight fade
<brevex>Shieldpaw: Ah! okay I'll check that then, I'll get back to you on your email then
<DarthCraftus> Snuff Out the Light
<DarthCraftus>by Eartha Kitt
<AragornofRedwall>That sounds comepletely depressing!
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: Sent it twice, actually. sorry
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: alright, they downloaded, thanks for sending. Now all I need to do is figure out what hamachi is XD
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: I was getting kind of nervous. i didn't know if you were starting to think i was lazy
<DarthCraftus>deleted song for Yzma
<AragornofRedwall>Um, okaaaaaayy.........
<Twilight-Realm-Child>darthcraftus: like from the Emperor's New Groove?
<DarthCraftus>Yep
brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: I'll post a tutorial on how to use them when the time comes but it is a protocol which lets computers generate an IP so they can connect to each other
<DarthCraftus>Hear it on YuoTube
<iKayc>brevex: same here about my drawing, but I sent you a note a few minutes ago, so I'll just wait for that ;; obviously you can disregard my P.S
<AragornofRedwall>"What does that-" "No, no. He's got a point!" "Look could you both get out of here! You're confusing me!
<DarthCraftus>Youtube, sorry
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: so we can draw and chat while being connected ( i'm such a moron)
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: Thanks, brev!
<Twilight-Realm-Child>aragornofredwall: wahaha,,,,llama-face!
<brevex>iKayc: okay I'll check it all now but other than those who are waiting for me to critique I'll see you cats on the flip-flop later!
<AragornofRedwall>I'v only seen a clip or two. But what I've seen is great.
<DarthCraftus>Meeting's over?
<iKayc>brevex: thank you!
<brevex>DarthCraftus: yep
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Oh hold on Brev!
<brevex>Dream-Of-Serenity: yep
<Twilight-Realm-Child>what about the character discussion?
<Dream-Of-Serenity> There's a site I know that might work just as good as opencanvas.
<Dream-Of-Serenity>It might be a lot easier then having everyone download it
<Dream-Of-Serenity>its like signing into a chat room with a drawing board
<Twilight-Realm-Child>what, iScribble?
<brevex>Dream-Of-Serenity: but not as good, OC is good for sketching disregarding the multi-player thing
<Dream-Of-Serenity>paint chat manga masters
<Twilight-Realm-Child>ooooooh, that sounds awesome! I like the whole manga thing.
<Dream-Of-Serenity>[link]
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: I can do quick critiques but there's too little time now for me to go into the lecture I wanted to give
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: oh, alright but if you could just answer this: other than her legs, is Forunata done? or is it not a simple answer, you'll have to wait until the lecture thing?
<DarthCraftus>Leaving!
<AragornofRedwall>
<Shieldpaw>Darthcraftus: See you!
<Twilight-Realm-Child>bye!
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: yeah I'm afraid it is not a straight forward answer, you have done what I wanted so in terms of your doing what I want you are done but there are style iss-yews which may mean redoing certain aspects but your style is pleasing for animation so I am quite happy for the most part. Just taking a look to see what could be improved on...
<brevex>iKayc: I can't see any drawing audition?
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: just loading le-large image
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: when I have spare time I'm going to watch Disney's Robin Hood again, I'm such a moron for not thinking of those foxes sooner. XD I think they'd be a good reference for body structure.
<brevex>Shieldpaw: is your audition the success one?
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: it's fine, in a way I'm glad you didn't so you can adapt yours to that rather than adapt Robin or Marion to Fortunata (if you get what I mean)
<brevex>it'll look more original
<iKayc>brevex: I sent it to redwallanimation@gmail.com on 10/26
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: I get what you mean, I'm modifying Fortunata, rather than modifying Marion.
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: yup, any good?
<brevex>iKayc: under what email address? I can't see it I don't think...
<brevex>Shieldpaw: yes it was indeed the quality as you said is great now you don't have a role yet do you or did I put you as one while the wait was going on?
<Dream-Of-Serenity>I gotta go. I'll talk to ya guys later, okay?
<brevex>RichelletheDarknessQ: I'll critique yours now too
<Shieldpaw>brevex: not sure. you said something about an otter or maybe some assorted vermin.
<AragornofRedwall>
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: another thing! i found a new scanner, I just need to download the drivers, and if the scanner works, I'll be able to get work done much faster, as I sketch way more on paper than I do digitally.
<Shieldpaw>brevex: and thanks!
<Twilight-Realm-Child>bye, see you next time!
<Dream-Of-Serenity>Bye ^.^
<AragornofRedwall>
<iKayc>brevex: funtomhive@aim.com
<brevex>Shieldpaw: okay, well now you're in but I'll need to hear what voices you can bring to the table
<iKayc>brevex: I can resend it if I need to O:
<brevex>iKayc: that may be easiest, I'll wait for you to do that
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: all of 'em, huh? i'll get right to it!
<iKayc>brevex: would you rather me send it to your live email?
<brevex>send it to redwallanimation@gmail.com as I am online on that at the moment
<AragornofRedwall>Brev?
<AragornofRedwall>I have an idea.
<brevex>AragornofRedwall: yes
<AragornofRedwall>What if we make Mossflower a Fanfilm follow-up to Nelvana's 3 seasons?
<AragornofRedwall>That's legal.
<AragornofRedwall>Like these for LOTR:
<brevex>Shieldpaw: yeah show me what range you can do
<Twilight-Realm-Child>I love LoTR. XD
<AragornofRedwall>[link]
<RichelletheDarknessQ>brevex: OK
<AragornofRedwall>[link]
<AragornofRedwall>Those were legal, and made completely by fans at their own expense.
<AragornofRedwall>Would that be possible?
<brevex>well I still want to get a lawyer to look over what defines "legal" however I don't want to do it behind Brian Jacques' back, if he says it is a no go, then I'm afraid I think that is what it will have to be. *watches*
<iKayc>brevex: okay i sent it ^^
<AragornofRedwall>But if we get no response, either way?
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: got it
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: this might be a not-so-great- suggestion, but if we get turned down, or it'd not legal, what if we come up with our own characters to put in our own fan film? ( sort of like what aragornofredwall was saying)
<Shieldpaw>brevex: out of curiosity, does Jacques know about this group or it's progress?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>*it's
<brevex>Shieldpaw: to be honest I have no idea, we sent him 3 business letters 1 which we got a cryptic response giving us no real answer and the other was a condesending letter which they sent us playing cards
<AragornofRedwall>So we have had no real response, negative, or affimrative, correct?
<AragornofRedwall>*affirmative
<Swordsman92>Hey, they got playing cards. I'd say that's positive
<Twilight-Realm-Child>wow, I didn't know you'd sent him anything? Were they nice playing cards?
<cybercatmia>And bookmarks
<Twilight-Realm-Child>oops, that first sentence was not supposed to be a question
<Twilight-Realm-Child>And bookmarks! How generous. Were they even Redwall themed?
<Swordsman92>Playing cards and bookmarks?? If that's not a blessing I don't know what is
<AragornofRedwall>But we don't have a clear cut yes or no, right?
<cybercatmia>Yeah they had pictures from the book covers on, same with the cards.
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: Yes one way or another if we can't do Redwall do want to continue on a short 2D film with the team we have, short as it is more do-able than what we are dealing with at the moment (don't get me wrong I'm not backing down on this I'll see it to the end but no means no)
<AragornofRedwall>But has Mr. Jacques said no?
<Shieldpaw>brevex: that's............encouraging
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Determination: GO! I'm with you on it, but it would suck if they said no.
<iKayc>I agree!
<brevex>Hahaha I think you guys may be missing the point, you don't respond to a business letter by sending back playing cards and bookmarks. And to answer the Brian Jacques question, I doubt he actually even handled anything himself (his company to say the least is unhelpful)
<iKayc>Usually how companies are.
<AragornofRedwall>Could we make a personal appeal to Mr. Jacques himself?
<Kobb>From what I understand, he hasn't said no, but I doubt anyone handling the letter has taken our proposal seriously.
<AragornofRedwall>I'm sure he would approve of something like this!
<cybercatmia>Yeah I doubt the last 2 letters at least even reached him.
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: I'm sure he didn't. letter must come in by the hundreds and they think trinkets will entertaint the masses.
<brevex>AragornofRedwall: that's what the portfolio we are building up to, but I feel we need something to show to be taken seriously otherwise we're just "another fan with big ambitions"
<Kobb>They probably get requests like that all the time, by ten-year-olds with MSPaint X)
<brevex>Kobb: yeah agreed xb
<AragornofRedwall>Well, is there something we could make to prove we are serious? Something we could send them? SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO TO HIS DESK?
<iKayc>Exactly the problem. They think we're a bunch of kids I say we work hard to prove 'em wrong!
<Shieldpaw>Twilight-realm-child: Well, what we're doing will definately get his attention
<Kobb>ding ding ding! And that is what the animatic is for!
<brevex> I repeat, the portfolio will be sent to show that we are faw realz
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Also, if what we're doing starts to gain interest, I think it could really take off, and we'd stand out from those kids with MSpaint.
<AragornofRedwall>If we can only get his personal attention, I'm sure he'd approve.
<brevex>which will include...
<brevex>animatic
<brevex>script
<brevex>and character designs + concept art
<Failpwned>moosick?
<Swordsman92>No FX?
<Shieldpaw>lol
<brevex>that will go into the animatic
<RussanotheWise>Sound?
<iKayc>I see no valid reason for him to deny us -nod nod nod-
<brevex>animatic is
<Failpwned>ah
<AragornofRedwall>I think he would view it with pleasure, to be honest. To see people of all ages from all around the globe so dedicated to the world he created.
<Shieldpaw>Aragormofredwall: Yup, look at us!
<iKayc>
<Failpwned>We should send an envoy directly to his home
<Twilight-Realm-Child>aragornofredwall: I think you summed it up pretty accurately right thar.
<AragornofRedwall>Failpwned!
<AragornofRedwall>YOU'VE DONE IT LAD!!!
<AragornofRedwall>Anybody live near Liverpool?
<brevex>iKayc: it's not him we're dealing with, it's these fellas...
<AragornofRedwall>But HE owns the company, correct?
<iKayc>brevex: Yeah I know, like most things you have to fight through the frontline to get to the leader
<AragornofRedwall>If Mr. Jacques is with us, we've got the company beat!
<Kobb>That's... not quite how this kind of thing works X)
<Shieldpaw>One word: TENACITY
<Failpwned>+Audacity
<iKayc>-has spear in hand-
<Failpwned>Tonight, we dine in hell
<AragornofRedwall>No, we don't.
<brevex>*facepalm* ah geeez xD
<AragornofRedwall>At least, I don't.
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Will this address work maybe? [link]
<Twilight-Realm-Child>Yay for the attempt. XD
<Swordsman92>Remembing how 300 ended, I say we stick to Brev's idea xD
<Failpwned>lol
<Kobb>It's generally not good practice to bother people directly
<iKayc>I do not plan on dining there-rubs chin thoughfully- Unless it is meatloaf
<Shieldpaw>lol
<cybercatmia>That's the address I used the first time I think.
<cybercatmia>It still goes through the company people first.
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: they had a business address in the same place but have since removed it, that is what we sent our letter to
<AragornofRedwall>Perhaps they didn't like that being used for anyting but the purposes specified......
<Twilight-Realm-Child>cybercatmania: aw, darn it. it looked promising because his name was actually at the top of the address. D:
<Failpwned>Darn copyrights get in the way of everything
<AragornofRedwall>We could Mapquest a way to his home......
<AragornofRedwall>True, but without them, his work could be stolen.
<AragornofRedwall>
<brevex>this is the problem we are really dealing with: [link]
<iKayc>And then go there on our horses to give him the portfolio and ride off into the sunset epically....
<AragornofRedwall>:
<Twilight-Realm-Child>we don't want to be labelled as stalkers and have a restraining order put on our heads.
<AragornofRedwall>I was thinking of something a little more practical. We take the 4:50 steam train.
<iKayc>brevex: LOL
<Shieldpaw>Brevex: no better description
<Twilight-Realm-Child>A GIANT CATAPULT.
<iKayc>^
<Failpwned>Even better
<brevex>iKayc: are you sending me the drawing?
<Failpwned>we perform inception in him
<iKayc>brevex: already did o.o
<Shieldpaw>Twilight-realm-child: we'd be too busy "testing" the catapult, we'd never get around to actually contacting him, lol
<Twilight-Realm-Child>yeah but to do inception, we need him in person.
<Failpwned>Telepathy + inception?
<Failpwned>Teleception?
<Twilight-Realm-Child>inceptepathy!
<Shieldpaw>Failpwned: sounds painful
<Failpwned>lol
<brevex>iKayc: you sent it to here: redwallanimation@gmail.com ?
<iKayc>brevex: -nods frantically-
<brevex>iKayc: hmmm... well it's still not there- I'll check the spam folder
<iKayc>brevex: oh goodness I am a spammer xD
<brevex>iKayc: what do you know, it is actually there xD
<iKayc>brevex: See? This is why spears are needed
<iKayc>brevex: Just in case it ended up in his 'Spam' folder
<Failpwned>Fans sending spam to Jacques? Impossible
<Shieldpaw>have to go, see you, everyone.
<AragornofRedwall>
<Twilight-Realm-Child>see you later!
<iKayc>Shieldpaw: See ya!
<Failpwned>gbye
<iKayc>-gives everyone cookies-
<brevex>iKayc: I'm replying to your email
<iKayc>brevex: Thank you ^^
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex: I have to go, so is there anything I need to know before I do?
<brevex>pheeew anymore questions?
<Failpwned>brevex: I have to go, so is there anything I need to know before I do?
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: not really work on the legs and have those ready for the masterclass
<Twilight-Realm-Child>brevex. okay. When can I expect that class?
<brevex>Twilight-Realm-Child: I'll talk to Kobb after this but follow the white-journal-rabbit

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